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      "body": "You seem angry. A sign you don't deal well differing opinions, I guess.\n\nYes, basic research and development in military matters created the foundations of some of the advanced products we enjoy in the consumer marketplace today. That is far different than saying the federal government would have ever created anything like the I-Phone, or the user centered internet we enjoy today with all its market and consumer focus, all its commercial exchange. Giving the government credit for the final products built from foundations they laid long ago is just silly. We all have GPS in our cars, on our phones, everywhere, but the government didn't create the commercial success of GPS, and they wouldn't have. They just wanted a global tracking, targeting, and location system for military applications and they would have happily left it at that.\n\nAs for your desire to shrink government, its my turn to call bullshit. Every word you speak in the arena of basic income advocates for a larger, more intrusive government. You can say that because Hayek and Friedman made positive comments about a basic income that makes you their disciple, but I wonder how much Friedman and Hayek you advocate? Is it only the basic income? \n\nIn any event your attempt to make it appear the government is the source of commercial innovation in the tech field when they are only the original source of some of the basic architecture and research shows me you give too much credit to government and too little to the innovative, creative genius of individuals acting freely in a marketplace that rewards them for these deeds. \n\nI'll not end my comment with a profane suggestion that you take your opinions and shove them up your ass, because that wouldn't be decent. Apparently you aren't either. The more you face adversity (and your buddy, Revo) the more you expose your true natures. Mean spirited, demanding agreement and acceptance without question. The very qualities that make coercion the great experience we all know it to be.\n\nHave a great day, but I honestly hope you never, ever achieve your goal.",
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      "body": "Actually it is people of your mind set who have changed what began as the type of society I prefer. There are plenty of statist governments to choose from all over the world, but there were no alternatives for us liberty lovers. If only your gang had followed your advice and left decades ago to find a society that already did what you doomed Americans to suffer we would all be better off.\n\nIf you really believe that we have smart phones because of government, or that the internet as it exists today is due to government then you really are misguided.\n\nOf course you really are, because you think implementing a plan that will double the size of government and expand its power over our lives is your moral right and the people who don't want it should find a new place to live...",
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      "body": "Why don't you request to renounce your citizenship? You obviously don't want to benefit from anything taxes pay for. Find yourself a nice home where government doesn't exist and you can live in a utopia where no one steals from you, except of course for the various crime lords, and organized gangs, and roaming bands of vehicles driven by skinheads covered in straps of leather hunting for gasoline.\n\nThe fact that you're using the internet, which exists because of government, and likely regularly using a smartphone, which exists because of government, surrounded by tax-funded infrastructure and tax-funded protections that help protect you and defend your rights make you a massive hypocrite.\n\nYour utopia of not paying any taxes is possible right now. Why aren't you seeking it out? What are you waiting for? Leave. Find yourself a nice failed state.",
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      "title": "",
      "body": "Basic income, when coerced through government is socialism. You don't have to like it, but its true. Its the very definition of socialism. \n\nJust because you don't like, and maybe cannot understand my answer doesn't make me a troll. The answer was very clear, very direct. Keep government out of it, allow individuals exercising liberty in a free marketplace to pursue thousands, even millions of approaches to finding a path to prosperity. Government only turns it into violence and theft, and kills all hope of innovation.",
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