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| body | I've decided to make a few vids... I wonder if there's a prize for least popular YouTuber...? :) Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgv_UGV_HfUP5sJ9B5SSUFw 1st Vid: "Why Science Predicts an Intelligent God, and 'Random' is Anti-Science" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc8gHjRUGZo |
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| body | Christianty says this is the heresy of Manicheeism, to see everything in terms of black and white. I don't know why you say we have two brains, last time I looked I only had one. Take care now. |
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"body": "Christianty says this is the heresy of Manicheeism, to see everything in terms of black and white. I don't know why you say we have two brains, last time I looked I only had one. Take care now.",
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| body | I'm not sure you can safely make a objective distinction between "modern" science and what you're calling "science as actual personal knowledge". Science has a standard definition, then we all just add whatever baggage we want to it so that it fits our worldview. If you're delineation is subjective, it doesn't hold any water considering my point of view is different and there are thousands of other points of view different than either of ours. Psychic phenomena occurrences are illogical according to empirical science, but they're not impossible. This would be a category that researchers would just label as "we're not really sure". That category exists in all major branches of science, so it's not scientific to say that supernatural occurrences are impossible. Illogical, sure. But logic has a dynamic definition that changes with technology, philosophy, theology, and many other "ology"'s. That being said, there is no such thing as a non-modern science that holds all of the logic. There's just your opinion based on what you consider logical based on a definition of science that you have adopted to suit your personal tastes. This is essentially what many people do to varying degrees. The real challenge is to try and push through bias and seriously consider all applicable angles to our life and universe. There are qualified and degree'd scientists that believe in God. They guy who mapped the human genome believes in God. I would say these believing scientists have found a level playing field with logic and God on the same team if they're that entrenched and didn't throw out supernatural possibilities. Science does not say God doesn't exist. |
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| body | lol! |
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| body | Also https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031%3A9-18 |
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| body | Does a pocket calculator have free will? Nothing external prevents it from acting in any way. It's desire to provide correct answers comes entirely from its own wiring. This is no different from my desires to act coming from my brain or soul or wherever you might think free will could possibly originate from. But I think any definition that allows a pocket calculator to have free will is useless. |
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"body": "Does a pocket calculator have free will? Nothing external prevents it from acting in any way. It's desire to provide correct answers comes entirely from its own wiring. This is no different from my desires to act coming from my brain or soul or wherever you might think free will could possibly originate from.\n\nBut I think any definition that allows a pocket calculator to have free will is useless.",
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| body | Offering to contract, regardless of what the contract entails (excluding contracting someone to engage in theft), is moral as long as the person has the ability to refuse. If no money were offered and the girl (who I'm assuming is of age) were simply asked for sex it would not be immoral so why would the addition of a monetary incentive make it become so? It would be immoral if one were to forcibly get her hooked on heroin in order to take advantage of the vulnerability brought on by addiction. In that case the stolen property is her mental faculty. I see nothing debatable about the morality of the first example unless the girl was incapable of giving informed consent. I will be discussing consent in an upcoming post. I am of the opinion that morality itself is not particularly complex but I certainly appreciate the difficulty in discovering all accurate information available in order to recognize whether theft has occurred or not. I do believe that trials might be more clear cut if jurors had a thorough understanding of the objectivity of morality instead of only being equipped with a subjective sense for it. Without solid indicators of what to look for when passing judgement they are more likely to be swayed by the rhetoric of the defense or prosecution. As you said, "Sometimes it takes a lot of work to uncover the real truth..." This post was just a short outline of the topic and I will be discussing it in more detail in the future. Thanks for your thoughts! |
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"body": "Offering to contract, regardless of what the contract entails (excluding contracting someone to engage in theft), is moral as long as the person has the ability to refuse. If no money were offered and the girl (who I'm assuming is of age) were simply asked for sex it would not be immoral so why would the addition of a monetary incentive make it become so? It would be immoral if one were to forcibly get her hooked on heroin in order to take advantage of the vulnerability brought on by addiction. In that case the stolen property is her mental faculty. I see nothing debatable about the morality of the first example unless the girl was incapable of giving informed consent. I will be discussing consent in an upcoming post.\n \nI am of the opinion that morality itself is not particularly complex but I certainly appreciate the difficulty in discovering all accurate information available in order to recognize whether theft has occurred or not. I do believe that trials might be more clear cut if jurors had a thorough understanding of the objectivity of morality instead of only being equipped with a subjective sense for it. Without solid indicators of what to look for when passing judgement they are more likely to be swayed by the rhetoric of the defense or prosecution. As you said, \"Sometimes it takes a lot of work to uncover the real truth...\" \n\nThis post was just a short outline of the topic and I will be discussing it in more detail in the future. Thanks for your thoughts!",
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| body | > the ability to act at one's own discretion. (Google) Seems a fair definition... Don't you think? |
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| body | ["You cannot prove a negative". Really?](https://steemit.com/religion/@discernente/you-cannot-prove-a-negative-really) |
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| body | Noted you didn't tag this on 'anarchism'. They might have been cross I suppose... If there's no free will, it makes the idea of self-determination a mental illness. Chuckle. |
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"body": "Noted you didn't tag this on 'anarchism'. They might have been cross I suppose... If there's no free will, it makes the idea of self-determination a mental illness. Chuckle.",
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| body | Offering money to a girl to become a prostitute is not theft, and it's her choice if she agrees, but it's arguably immoral. What's her loss, something she would have given away for free anyway? Is it her *innocence* that's lost? It's debatable... Sometimes matters of morality are complex and subtle, which is why a jury of 12 people is customary, and trials can take weeks. Morality is a law, like the laws of physics, and we can't just make laws up. Laws have to be discovered, they can't be invented. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to uncover the real truth, both in science & law... It's worth doing though. :) |
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| body | If you don't believe in ETs, it is because of the lack of evidence, nothing more. List of thing that science has proven that does not exist based only on the total lack of evidence for it: luminiferous ether, phlogiston, the planet Vulcan, the atom Thomson, ultra-mundane corpuscles, vis viva, elan vital, calorie fluid, miasma, ciclol. |
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| body | I quite agree that only a sick-minded individual would be okay with a 7 year old being sold as a sex-slave (or someone of any age for that matter). Any moral code that failed to recognise this as wrong would be inadequate, however I don't accept it as an absolute. Property is a man-made concept, and I think it is a very important and valuable one, but it isn't a part of nature, and therefore violations of property rights are still not *absolutely* immoral. |
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| body | So you trot out the old strawman fallacy... Elephant in the garage? Really? Sigh... All the best then, catch you later. :) |
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| body | @@ -369,8 +369,116 @@ for it. +%0A%0AAnd modern science is not a religion, because it cannot adopt dogmas, but only proven (reasonable) truths. |
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| body | Thanks for your reply, interesting article you written. Haha go get him! |
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| body | Of course I can prove a negative, but never with 100% certainty, but with reasonable certainty. For instance, if you say there is an elephant in your garage, and I look for the evidences and find none, it is very reasonable to say that there is no elephant, because of the total lack of evidence. 99% of the things you do not believe is because of the lack of evidence for it. |
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| body | If there is no absolute morality, then are you suggesting that if you were sold as a sex-slave at the age of 7, that would have been be ok? In which case(s) would child-sex-slavery be acceptable, or beneficial to the child? Or does it harm the child in every single case? I pick this example for effect, but unless you're mentally ill, then I'm sure you'll agree there's no case in which the above is acceptable or beneficial. If not, then why? Because of the harm done to something you don't own - it's tort law. Morality is law that has existed since the beginning of the Universe. It's part of natural law, and part of logic. Religions are not moral organisations, they use a sprinkling of morality to sweeten the lies they feed people. I'm always saddened when I hear how the evil Christian church has turned good people against God. The church does not speak for God, it's a fraud. Please use your logic - which leads to God - faith is not required. Belief is a hindrance. God is real and he wants you to know everything, not believe in some crazy fairy tale. God gave people brains so they could think for themselves. :) Sure, give up on the church, they're useless, but don't conflate church with God (however much they want you to). Church is to God as fish is to golf. |
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"body": "If there is no absolute morality, then are you suggesting that if you were sold as a sex-slave at the age of 7, that would have been be ok? In which case(s) would child-sex-slavery be acceptable, or beneficial to the child? Or does it harm the child in every single case?\nI pick this example for effect, but unless you're mentally ill, then I'm sure you'll agree there's no case in which the above is acceptable or beneficial.\nIf not, then why? \nBecause of the harm done to something you don't own - it's tort law.\n\nMorality is law that has existed since the beginning of the Universe. It's part of natural law, and part of logic.\nReligions are not moral organisations, they use a sprinkling of morality to sweeten the lies they feed people.\n\nI'm always saddened when I hear how the evil Christian church has turned good people against God. The church does not speak for God, it's a fraud. Please use your logic - which leads to God - faith is not required. Belief is a hindrance. God is real and he wants you to know everything, not believe in some crazy fairy tale. God gave people brains so they could think for themselves. :)\n\nSure, give up on the church, they're useless, but don't conflate church with God (however much they want you to). Church is to God as fish is to golf.",
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| body | Most people don't do logic. They rationalise instead, and imagine they're 'thinking'. It's sad and pitiful, and dangerous. I like your thinking. Beliefs and faith are for lost-sheep. Only science (as in personal knowledge, not as in 'modern science') is worth anything. I like JWs, not the religion of course it's a cult, but the people are usually decent folks... I offer tea when they come round. I've nearly converted one of them to the religion of relentless logic, another couple years and his soul will be mine (Mwahahahaha)... I really hate the weakness of the 'Christian' religions, TBH. It's the happy slave / happy crime-victim / enabler of evil / wait for Jeezus to come and save my sorry ass - idea that's so destructive I realised you can easily prove God exists by logic, even though "they" say you can't... E.g: https://steemit.com/science/@veritopian/modern-science-is-a-religion-prove-me-wrong :) |
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| body | But you have 0% proof of acausality. Show me *any* actual proof of no-mechanism. You can't. It's *logically impossible*. Think about it, it may take some time, it took me a few years. *There can be no proof of acausality - it's impossible to prove a negative.* The religion is strong with you Luke... Modern science is a religion, and you've just proved me right again and again, with every comment. You've done nothing to show you understand any of it really, you just take it as faith, because the priest-scientists said so. God bless you, but you are a bit gullible... (Gull-able: Gulls will swallow any old rubbish that's tossed their way...) Look on the bright side, it means there loads of information you can learn which is actually correct instead of being bullshit... Surely that's gotta ease the burden of being wrong this once? ;) |
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"body": "But you have 0% proof of acausality. Show me *any* actual proof of no-mechanism.\nYou can't. It's *logically impossible*. \nThink about it, it may take some time, it took me a few years.\n\n*There can be no proof of acausality - it's impossible to prove a negative.*\n\nThe religion is strong with you Luke...\nModern science is a religion, and you've just proved me right again and again, with every comment.\nYou've done nothing to show you understand any of it really, you just take it as faith, because the priest-scientists said so. God bless you, but you are a bit gullible...\n(Gull-able: Gulls will swallow any old rubbish that's tossed their way...)\n\nLook on the bright side, it means there loads of information you can learn which is actually correct instead of being bullshit... Surely that's gotta ease the burden of being wrong this once? ;)",
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| body | Hi @cryptosteem, How does having the death-sentence for apostasy encourage science? |
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| body | I don't have a login for that. Funnily enough... The move to agriculture from hunter-gatherer did cause a (big) drop in life expectancy, and they use those numbers: http://www.rewild.com/in-depth/longevity.html Also the stats are done "from birth", including child-mortality, which can skew results. http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/life-expectancy-myth-and-why-many-ancient-humans-lived-long-077889 Plenty more out there on this - I just did a quick search. I take it you believe the cult-propaganda you were programmed with relentlessly at school and in front of the TV: "That this is the best society that's ever existed"? Sorry to pop the old bubble mate, but it's all lies. This western 'culture' is more 'cult' than the Moonies... Actually, reminds me, I just watched this on cult-behaviour. Listen, and see if you think government fits the bill of 'cult' according to the official definitions... ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqOIjzi-jE |
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"body": "I don't have a login for that. Funnily enough...\n\nThe move to agriculture from hunter-gatherer did cause a (big) drop in life expectancy, and they use those numbers:\nhttp://www.rewild.com/in-depth/longevity.html\n\nAlso the stats are done \"from birth\", including child-mortality, which can skew results.\nhttp://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/life-expectancy-myth-and-why-many-ancient-humans-lived-long-077889\n\nPlenty more out there on this - I just did a quick search.\n\nI take it you believe the cult-propaganda you were programmed with relentlessly at school and in front of the TV: \"That this is the best society that's ever existed\"?\n\nSorry to pop the old bubble mate, but it's all lies. This western 'culture' is more 'cult' than the Moonies...\n\nActually, reminds me, I just watched this on cult-behaviour. Listen, and see if you think government fits the bill of 'cult' according to the official definitions... ;)\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqOIjzi-jE",
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| body | No scientific proof is able to give you 100% certainty. If something is proven by science, it only means that it is more reasonable to believe than to not believe, and that is all. Science has already proven that it is not reasonable to believe that everything MUST have a cause. |
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| body | But how do you *prove* there is no underlying mechanism? Science is still all about proof right? They didn't move those goalposts too? As the great prophet Stevie Wonder said: *When you believe in things that you don't understand Then you suffer Superstition ain't the way* :) |
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"body": "But how do you *prove* there is no underlying mechanism? \nScience is still all about proof right? They didn't move those goalposts too?\n\nAs the great prophet Stevie Wonder said:\n*When you believe in things that you don't understand\nThen you suffer\nSuperstition ain't the way*\n:)",
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| body | Haha. Indeed... The only way I can imagine it really working is in a world full of *much better educated* people. With decent training, 99% of people would flourish. But today's crop of whiney, infantile, irrational morons... Well, shit. It's theoretically possible, and all the mechanism's there with common-law, but most people are too well domesticated by their masters... They will overplay their hand though, evil always does. |
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| body | "Modern science", and science as actual personal knowledge are obviously two different things... I love science, but despair over modern-science. If you're suggesting that psychic phenomena(?) are illogical, then what's the basis for that? Surely, if real, these things follow cause & effect like anything else. If modern-science doesn't deal with it - it doesn't mean it's illogical. Modern-science isn't logical. Logic leads directly to God, so anyone arguing against the existence of God is a religious devotee, not a scientist. They absolutely have no idea what they're talking about, and are in fact being the biggest hypocrites it's possible to be... This is the whole point of the article right? :) I note no-one has put forward any substantive refutation of my logic. Nada. Science says God doesn't exist, but 'random' does. That's illogic on the verge of lunacy... And the sad indictment of humanity is that no-one ever thinks it through for themselves. (Well, I did, but I was bored.) :) |
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| body | See the link below. Life expectancy of 43 years. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/707491 |
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| body | Radioactive decay is not random, it is probabilistic. They are different concepts. We can say what is the probability of decay happening, but we can not be sure that it will happen. The probability of the decay is determined, but the exact when the decay will happen is not. |
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| body | Absence of evidence is yes evidence of absence. The maoiria of the things that you do not believe in life is solely due to lack of evidence to support them. Otherwise we would have to be agnostic about almost everything in life. |
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| body | Sure, I agree with most of the points of anarchism; I don't want rulers, but how do you get rid of them in the real world? Someone will always rise up in power to coerce others to fit their own vision of the world. Yeah theoretically I want a society with no rulers and have the code = law, but even in such scenarios, due to network effects, there will always be inequality of power distribution, allowing a few people at the top to effectively become the rulers of everyone else. We see it here on Steemit. Explain to me the difference between "whales" and "rulers". |
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| body | Hello @veritopian! I do think that science and superstition/religion are compatible. They are separate in many ways, but very much intertwined and compliment each other often in my experience. There are a lot of people who have stories of things that defy any known logic. I've had experiences that land in that category. Now, in a world of skeptics, who is going to believe these stories unless they were there too? You have to experience the illogical for yourself to grasp that there is a supernatural element to our universe. If you haven't, you have no reason to believe it because it's in opposition to your own confirmation bias. I mentioned that the universe is not as black and white as you make it seem. Science, by definition, is black and white. Cause and effect. Observations and theories based on other observations, causes, and effects. But I stand by the fact that is not explaining anything. It's merely describing how natural laws are being played out. It doesn't explain why the universe is structured the way it is. We ultimately don't know why things are the way they are through science alone. We just know that things act a certain way in certain situations due to scientific experiments and observations. The argument is there that it's only a matter of time before we get to the bottom of it, but that is a subjective argument just the same as saying science will never get to the bottom of it because God is too big for a microscope (so to speak). Let me suggest two books for you that I found very relevant for this discussion in the past. As a believer they're both from my side, of course, but you might find them interesting if you can get through them objectively. The Insanity of God by Nik Ripkin. The author's name is a pseudonym, but the stories he tells are from his actual experiences as a missionary in Africa, Asia, and eastern Europe. Many of the stories defy logic, it's just up to you if you want to believe them. The other book is Who Made God by Edgar Andrews. Andrews is a respected physicist was the first person to debate Dawkins in a live setting. That debate is worth a listen, too if you have the chance. But the book is a very scientific approach to evidence that there is a God. |
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| body | > So basically, you take everything the bible says..throw it out the window...make up some stuff...and call it a day. No, that's what you're doing. I'm working on the what the Bible actually says. It's you who's projecting a set of beliefs onto it, and throwing the content out. And Yahweh liked the smell of burnt flesh, not roasted. It's called a "burnt offering", not roast lamb. Have you actually read the Bible? |
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| body | Hilbert space every possibility of every particle does happen it is not chance we do not believe in it you have no idea what you are talking about |
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