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      "body": "Its not quite an apples to apples comparison. The real estate becomes a second job actually a company itself. By the time its more than a few houses it will become a full time job or you have to cut into your return numbers to pay others to help out. That said I do believe that you are fundamentally right that you need real estate to be able to get out of the rat race. The 401K is just a poor cousin to the pension system that corporate america has now all but done away with. \n\nPenalty free withdrawal from 401K is 591/2 not 65.\n\nA Roth 401K which would be a good comparison based on the way you drew up the numbers and would mean that a lot of the distribution later would be tax free which is convenient.\n\nI see both investments as valuable investing in different asset classes that gives you a hedge should one or the other of the markets correct.  The fact is the 401K will give you true passive income when you are too old or sick to make other decisions. Also your partner after you are gone may not be as enthusistic to run a real estate empire as you. So having some diverse sources of income that you dont have to do too much to get is not a bad thing.",
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      "body": "Mainstream Media \"Max out your 401K!\"\n\nGrowing up we were always taught by our parents, \"Max out your employer 401K. You will be a millionaire when you get older!\". I decided to challenge this thought and compared two hypothetical scenarios. So basically you have two corporate guys age 25 making the same salary of 50,000 a year. They each contribute 12,000 a year to 401k and real estate respectively. How you ask? Lets just say they lived in their mom's basement all 30 years for this hypothetical situation :) This will be a 30 year analysis.\n\n\nAssumptions to keep this simple: \n1. Salary stays at 50K for all 30 years\n2. I will not take into account inflation\n3. Contributions of $12,000 a year will remain stable for 30 years\n\n401K \n\n401K is pretty straightforward. I just plugged it in a 401K generator online. Salary is 50K, The dude is contributing 24% of his salary (12,000 a year)! Annual rate of return is around 8%. 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