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      "body": "Hey! Nice article, welcome to Steemit. Sorry to see your first post being drowned and only responded to by some bots, because it really deserves more attention. I'm very much into POS and similar coins that provide a sort of dividend. I don't get into actively staking by keeping the wallet open like the real staking coins, but currently I am mostly invested in coins like NEO and OMG which will also give rewards for holding them. You just drop them in a wallet and it collects rewards while everything is offline. NEO is particularly nice since it has so much potential, but I _really_ like OMG too because of the insane transaction volume they will be processing (I made some posts on this). \nNot sure how big of an investor you are, but if you like coins that give out a dividend, let me point out that WCX tokens are going into ICO stage soon. They are currently giving out free tokens here:  https://wcex.co/?ref=XSGi60ri \nIt's a decentralized exchange, and 20% of the profits made from transaction fees will be paid to token holders. With the amount of decentralized exchanges coming up I don't know how succesful it will be, but hey, free tokens that provide residual income, who cares? hehe. Supposed to hit exchanges in October. Also the link above is a referral link, I get 50 tokens extra if you use that to sign up. You'd make my day! \n\nAdditionally, I noticed that you are new... and let me tell you, you are in for some discouragement. It's _really_ hard to get any kind of views on Steemit because there are so many new posts. The only way to get any kind of success is by accumulating Followers. I currently have like 300, and _still_ my posts get drowned. Don't be discouraged too much. I have noticed Steemit takes abou a month of serious effort and engagement with communitymembers in order to pick up some, well, Steem. Even now it's not fantastic for me, but it's getting better. \nAdditionally I would recommend shortening your articles to about 1/4th or 1/5th size maximum. This platform doesn't suit well for long, thorough and indepth texts unless you are an important figure. \nTo help you out, I started to follow you so you show up in my feed, so I can upvote stuff I find interesting. Feel free to follow me back, I focus mostly on cryptorelated stuff (and complaining about how hard it is for n00bs to get through on this platform).\nGood luck!",
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      "body": "![Passives-Einkommen1.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPSakZgnDEqTipBsZgnsE9JGVHLQ5yViMoMpbK5a3rhTa/Passives-Einkommen1.jpg)\n\nHello world! Since this is my first seemit post and also my first\ncrypto-related article *ever* I’d like to point out some things first. I\nam NOT writing this article as an expert. I’m still quite new to crypto\nand there a whole lot of things I don’t understand yet. Still I’d like\nto share my personal experience with and thoughts on POS coins as I have\ngot the impression that this issue is still very underrepresented in the\npublic discourse (Twitter). Many OGs are mainly involved in mining and\nthey may have *very* good reasons not to look that much on staking that\nI don’t understand yet. Also my impression is that even very successful\ntraders lack knowledge about this issue and the possibilities connected\nwith it. But even if you *never* want to stake a coin: To *trade* POS\ncoins you need to *understand* the ecosystem too (especially the\ninflation) so I hope this article is also helpful for guys that do\nnothing but trading.\n\nI am NOT writing this article as an advisor or teacher. Rather I see us\none the *same* side: The side of learning people! So I really hope that\nthis article won’t be a one way street but an exchange between us that\nwill contribute to *my* learning process as well as to yours. For that\npurpose, I want to put my views up for discussion in the following\narticle. Sorry in advance for my “English” !\n\nAfter trading altcoins quite successfully for over a year I started to\nquestion myself: Is there a way to create *passive* income in crypto? I\nfound four ways:\n\n1. Mining\n\n2. Setting up masternodes\n\n3. Make term deposits\n\n4. Staking\n\nUntil now I got no experiences in **mining** but what I know is that it\ncan bring great returns if you know what to do and how. Notsofast (on\nTwitter) is a legend in this domain. A disadvantage in comparison to\nstaking is: It is technically very complex and requires skills and an\nunderstanding that only can be achieved over a longer time.\n\nI set up several small **masternodes** – ENT / Eternity, ARC /\nArcticCoin and DAS (NOT the DA$ from Cryptopia!) – as an experiment and\nthey bring nice small gains on a regular basis. But a disadvantage is:\nSetting up masternodes is not easy for many people either. It is much\nless complex than mining but still quite a task for people not too deep\nin tech. I have to admit that it was a tough job for me but I hope I will reap the\nrewards in the future. The annual returns for the masternodes above are\nsomewhere between 90-150%/year (please consider that there are small\nexpenses for vps-servers, too). *Really* interesting it is getting when\nyou get high returns *and* the price rises at the same time. Good\noverviews about different masternode coins you can find here: (please\nnote that some data might be incorrect!)\n\n<http://masternodes.pro/>\n\n<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1D-VhuSSt7fMrSP22WdREqOuJIDu4iZV7vrx41jBNnqQ/edit#gid=708288622>\n\nThe cheapest vps I could find (1 Euro / month; please note that I got no\npersonal experience with that provider!):\n\n<https://www.arubacloud.com/vps/virtual-private-server-range.aspx>\n\nYou can find the links to exchanges where the mentioned coins can be\nbought on the bottom of this article.\n\n**Term deposits** are offered for some coins and it might be a good idea\nfor coins that you would hodl long-term *anyway*. I personally have or\nhad term deposits in ERC / Europecoin and POSW. Also, Cryptopia is\noffering term deposits for DOT. EXP / Expanse if offering something\nsimilar with the “Expanse rewards” option. Please note that the interest\nrates are quite small usually (~ 5-12%/year). So this really *only*\nmakes sense for coins you believe in long-term. Also know that the coins\nare locked up for the time frame of the deposit so if the price goes\nx100 in the meantime you won’t be able to sell. Please be VERY careful\nwith term deposits on exchanges. Poswallet.com just got hacked and\nseveral $BTC got stolen. POSW coin has not been affected and I’m\nconfident the team will handle the situation properly BUT: It just\nshowed again that centralized exchanges are NEVER 100% safe. So the\nrisks outweigh the small staking benefits imho. If it is offered in the\nwallet as with ERC it is something different as you still have the\nprivate keys. If you know other coins that offer attractive term deposit\noptions please let me know in the comments!\n\nNow (after two sides of reading ) we finally come to the main subject of\nthis article. **POS (Proof of Stake)** coins that offer **staking**\nrewards. In comparison to mining and setting up masternodes staking POS\ncoins has a big advantage: It is just dead easy! It is *so* dead easy\nthat I can explain it here in a few words: To stake POS coins you just\nneed them in a wallet that is unlocked for staking and let the computer\nrun 24/7. Is it really that simple??? Yes, it is really that simple, you\ndon’t need to work in IT to do it :D. Please note that I expect the\nreaders of this article to understand the basics of security as I cannot\nexplain everything here. Please dyor (do your own research) on that!\n\nI personally let an old notebook run 24/7 with wallets of around 20\ndifferent coins. Notebooks take much less electricity than towers and\nthe CPU and RAM of an older or very cheap notebook are enough to keep\nseveral wallets staking. This is because the wallets don’t require much\ncomputing power for that process. You should also try to optimize your\nenergy settings. If you are using Windows 10 the settings are quite\nconfusing. Try to limit the energy consumption, especially by\ndetermining when the screen is switched of. But also mind that the\nnotebook may not be deactivated if you want to stake 24/7. I had to\nchange the settings in the expanded options for that. I think that I\nstill didn’t find the perfect way to set my energy options but at least\nthe staking runs 24/7 and the screen switches of after some minutes. If\nyou are an expert on that and want to share your knowledge in the\ncomments, I’d be very thankful!\n\nWhat are the advantages of POS coins in general? Well, a big advantage\nis that you get stakes while your coins are still flexible, not locked.\nYou can send them *anytime anywhere* you want. Not having them on an\nexchange is better anyway but apart from security aspects it has another\nadvantage: It might keep you from overtrading. If you’re are staking and\ngetting small or even big regular returns you might not get impatient\nwith a coin or sell it for small profits only. It increases the\nprobability that you just hold and stake until a *really* full moon\nbecomes foreseeable. *Then* you can send it to an exchange and sell it\n(probably to buy back much lower later). But be careful! Where there is\nlight, there also is shadow: Staking coins in a wallet *also* can mean\nthat you miss quick strong pumps on exchanges. Not for well established,\nsolid projects, but especially for smaller, unknown coins that often see\nquick random pumps. How long do you need to stake to get the same gains\nas if you sell on a x10 or x20? Right, an eternity!\n\nA *very* important factor for POS coins is the ROI (rate of interest) or\nAPR (annual percentage rate). Why is it important? Because 1. it just\ntells you how big your annual interests are if you stake and 2. they\ntell you something about the possible inflation on the ecosystem.\n\nOf course, we all wish for interests as high as possible. But still the\nhighest staking coin isn’t necessarily the best pick and actually many\nvery high staking coins have gone to almost zero in price. Why that?\nBecause the inflation is so strong that more and more money is needed to\nenter the ecosystem to keep the price just stable. The more money comes\nin, the more money needs to keep coming in to keep the machine running…\nSounds familiar to you? Right, classic ponzi scheme! Those who are in\nearly enough might make *crazy* gains, those who come late lose much of\ntheir investment. Please note: This warning only applies for VERY high\nstaking coins! I will give examples for different categories of POS\ncoins further down.\n\nDo you remember what I wrote in the beginning of this article? That also\ntraders need to understand the staking rate and inflation of a coins’\necosystem? Why that? Because high staking POS coins are successful even\nif the price just stays stable or goes a bit down. Imagine you stake a\ncoin with an APR of 1200%: Would you mind if the price dropped 30\npercent in that year? Nope. You still had great passive profits. Just\nbuying high staking POS coins without staking them brings you in a\n*huge* disadvantage towards those who stake. They might be able to sell\non 20% of their buy price after a year and still be in great profit.\n\nBut another fact that should be considered: The APR is *not* the\ninflation on the whole ecosystem. This is because not *all* coins in the\necosystem are staking. Let’s take RADS as an example: The APR is around\n18% right now which is not too high compared to some other POS coins but\nstill *very* high if you consider that RADS is a very solid project with\na great future perspective. But what you should know is that only about\n1/3 of all RADS in circulation are actually staking. So, the inflation\non the entire ecosystem is much smaller, in this case 18%/3, meaning 6%.\nThis is very small for an outstanding project like that. It will not be\ndifficult to get even *much* more new money into the RADS ecosystem so I\nexpect a price rise *and* good staking rewards what makes RADS one of my\nfavourite POS coins.\n\nBefore I give you some examples of different categories of POS coins I’d\nlike to add another point: There usually is no certain amount of coins\nyou need to stake *but* if you have too little coins your “weight” is\nquite low and you will need to wait much longer until you get rewards.\nIt doesn’t change your APR but it increases the periods of time between\nyour payouts and that effects your compounded interest. How that? I give\nyou an example: Imagine you hold an POS coin with an APR of 200%.\nScenario 1: You hold only very little so you get a payout only once in\nthat year (in the end of the year)… How much will you end up with?\nRight, x3 from your initial investment… But do you know what is crazy?\nIf you get 4x a 50 percent payout you will end up with a x5 from your\ninitial investment. Why? Because after your first payout you stake\nadditional 50% and so on! And if you get a small daily payout of 0.547%\n(200/365) you will end up with a x7 from your initial investment. Some\ncoins even pay out several times a day!\n\nIn the following I will try to categorise POS coins and give examples.\nAll the coins I give as examples I was or am holding myself. Please show\nme other coins in the comments!\n\n**Cat. 1:   Solid projects with great perspectives and a significant APR**\n\nA coin that perfectly fits into that category is RADS. I’d hold it even\nwithout staking rewards but with additional staking rewards of 18% (!)\nthis is just a no-brainer. The inflation of about 6% is tiny for a\nstrong project with a market cap that is still quite small so the price\nhas much room to grow! For this coin it also really is an advantage when\nstaking keeps you from overtrading. I expect the market cap to be\nseveral hundred millions in the next 2 years and this is quite a\nconservative expectation.\n\n**Cat. 2:   Solid projects with great perspectives and a small APR**\n\nAn example for this category is NAV. NAV offers staking rewards of about\n5%/year. This is *really* not much but hey: If you stake 1000 NAV and\nget 50 on top in one year: This might not be much now… But imagine NAV\nbeing traded for 50 or 100 USD one day… Then everything looks totally\ndifferent, right? And as anon coins are booming and NAVs market cap is\nstill low it is not unrealistic. Like RADS I’d hold NAV even without the\nstaking but it is just a small additional goodie. Also for NAV it is\ngood if staking keeps you from overtrading. And the low APR makes the\ninflation even smaller of course.\n\nGood looking newer and smaller projects that also offer a small APR:\n\n*Coin* - *APR*\n\nONION / DeepOnion - 10%\n\nXSPEC / Spectrecoin - 10%\n\nCBX / Crypto Bullion - 6-12%\n\n**Cat. 3: Small cap projects that look solid, already got some attention and offer a good but realistic APR**\n\nThese projects are still quite small in their market cap but already got\nsome attention in the crypto community. The interests they offer are\nhigh but still manageable. Examples:\n\n*Coin* - *APR*\n\nNETKO - ~50%\n\nPIE - 20% (attention: will switch to masternodes soon!)\n\nTRI / Triangles - 33%\n\nV / Version - 60%\n\nA still very unknown coin that might fit in that category soon is:\n\nJAPAN - 55%\n\nIt has still a *very* tiny market cap and is *very* cheap so I got\nmyself a small portion. I get payouts several times a day so I hope the\ncompounded interest is even higher.\n\nYou find links to places to buy all of the mentioned coins at the bottom\nof this article.\n\nPLEASE note that the inflation in this category is already *much* higher than in the ones\nabove!\n\n**Cat. 4:   Coins with an APR on a borderline-level**\n\nFor this category, I would like to give a coin as example that I never\nstaked but traded for very good profits: RAIN / Condensate. If I had\nunderstood the crazy staking possibilities I probably wouldn’t have sold\nor at least would have rebought… Now I’m salty I don’t own any as it\nbrings outstanding returns to the holders *and* the price is rising. The\nAPR of RAIN is around 200%. Congrats to the holders, for me it is out of\nbuy zone here, especially with the high inflation (remember our\ncompounded interest example from above?)\n\nI really don’t know what to think of coins with an APR like this in the\nlong-term as the inflation is really crazy. I will watch RAIN with great\ninterest (missing out on great interests, lol) and just see it as a new\neconomic experiment in crypto.\n\nI did some research and found a totally unknown and very cheap coin with\nsimilar interest rates: KOI / KOI coin. It has a tiny market cap and can\neven be bought for one satoshi right now. The APR is 175%. I already\nstake it and get dozens of payouts a day so I hope the compounded\ninterest is even much higher. I only put a small portion of money into\nthis one as the project might never move away from the one satoshi price\nrange or even die. Mind that some coins worth less than one satoshi can\nstill easily be traded on the DOGE markets!\n\nPLEASE note that the inflation in this category is already VERY high and\nshould make you concerned about the long-term perspectives of the price!\n\n**Cat. 5:   ULTRA-high staking coins**\n\nCoins that fit into that category have ULTRA high staking rates. There\nis this crazy Asian guy on twitter who is specialized in those and knows\na lot about them:\n\n<https://twitter.com/ProgrediMan>\n\nHe also set a telegram group called “POS coin community”. I want to cite\nhis pinned message here:\n\n“ I recommended :\n\n1. 808coin -&gt; 17% eligible after 8.08 days, recommended block size\namount is 500k (~ $300-$350), if can buy 1million is the best.\n\n2. WomenCoin -&gt; 1000% APR (~2.74% daily and it is compounded)\ncalculate your potential profit in\n[www.compoundaily.com](www.compoundaily.com)\n\nRecommended amount to start maybe about 2000 WomenCoin.\n\n3. $MAY (TheresaMayCoin)\n\nThe profit is about 1% daily for now.\n\nRemember all the coin that high pos like this contain risk (inflation\nhigh can drag the price down), so you need the strategy to keep your\nprofit max.\n\nAlso don't put all of your money in one coin, diversifying your money\nwill good.”\n\nIn addition he published this sheet about the compounded interest of\n808:\n\n<https://twitter.com/ProgrediMan/status/896764092194705408>\n\nPLEASE note that the inflation in this category is ULTRA high and should\nmake you VERY concerned about the long-term perspectives of the price!\nStill I think that these coins offer great chances. If you look at the\nsheet for 808 for example you see that even if the price drops to 5% of\nyour entry price after around 180 days you will still be slightly in\nprofit. If you sell at 10% of your entry price you will have doubled\nyour initial investment. Crazy stuff, I know !\n\nPlease note that this category is even more risky than the ones above! I\ngot me some of all the coins that are mentioned above but only an\nabsolute minimum % of my total portfolio. Never risk more than you can\nafford to lose without losing your smile !\n\nBefore I post the links that lead to all the coins above one more thing:\nIt took me *many* hours to do all the research for this article and even\nmore hours to write it. I’d really appreciate small tips if the provided\ninformation was kind of useful for you. Here are some of my addresses:\n\nBTC: 1E22L2zvcwCvqv1B7PcMfYDvybzrJiDwuB\n\nLTC: LWFjgLvEQzbrqheb6ALeZxeArByPiAkVrw\n\nDOGE: D9zqYLCCzTjFNexWCMDztSSvccAM747RZf\n\nNAV: NNEF8QWi3kuXJmwWwNb4T1w3NDVir3U7Zz\n\nRADS: XggCmABsj7M9ZTFvkkoo2fGGjxP2toRfxH\n\nDCR: Dsnq88wZAV99VnwH3ED17scpCjQNnHrkUgd\n\nMAID: 1GkRGvmSCErSGjuX4Nkviej8iQWN4vzLpU\n\nI really hope you enjoyed the article and got some new insights! Please\nshare *your* experiences / feedback / tips in the comments! Thanx!\n\nAlso feel free to follow me on twitter:\n[https://twitter.com/JiuCrypto](https://twitter.com/JiuCrypto)\n\nHere are links where the coins mentioned in the article can be found:\n\nRADS, NAV, ERC / EuropeCoin:\n\nBittrex: <https://bittrex.com>\n\nARC, XSPEC, CBX, NETKO, PIE, TRI, V (Version), RAIN, 808:\n\nCryptopia: <https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Register?referrer=Cryppel>\n\nKOI, WOMEN, JAPAN:\n\nCoinExchange: <https://www.coinexchange.io/?r=67a709e6>\n\nor\n\nNovaexchange: <https://novaexchange.com/?re=pncntqcjr7qnk0vznblc>\n\nNote: KOI and JAPAN have no bitcointalk threads, they are on\nbitcoingarden:\n\nKOI:\n\n<https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php?topic=16738.15>\n\nJAPAN:\n\n<https://bitcoingarden.org/forum/index.php?topic=16762.0>\n\nDAS, ONION / DeepOnion:\n\nNovaexchange: <https://novaexchange.com/?re=pncntqcjr7qnk0vznblc>\n\nENT / Eternity, MAY:\n\nYobit: <https://yobit.io/?bonus=fyJDj>\n\n(please be careful with this exchange, do your own research!)\n\nI also found a bitcointalk thread for staking coins that didn’t look\nbad:\n\n<https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1736764.0>",
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