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      "body": "Hello All, \n\nWhy is silver so cheap compared to gold? I had been looking for an answer to this question for a while now. I did not find a convincing answer until now; May be I wasn’t looking at the right place. \n\n**Pre-Requisite Knowledge**: Gold/Silver is money and their price is controlled by major bullion banks through market manipulations on COMEX and LBMA. They do this to retain the public confidence in the fiat monetary system. The details about this argument is out of scope for this article; you may read about it elsewhere.\n\n**The Original Question** (once again):\nI understand the price manipulation of gold/silver. But for silver especially, if the current mining ratio is 9:1 and availability on earths crust is 15:1 and if there are tons of industrial uses for it, what incentive is there for \"them\" to hold the price down so low at ~ 70:1? 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They would be able to deliver the actual physical metal cheaper to the Sonys, Tiffanys and Toyotas etc. But it wasn’t convincing enough for such a big disparity in the price.\n\nReference [Keith Neumeyer Interview - CrushTheStreet - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0KzILSoq1U&feature=youtu.be&t=54) \n\n**Answer 3** (Charles Savoie):\n\n*Silver is a strategic war metal!!!*\n\nCharles Savoie probably knows all about silver. The wealth of knowledge he has accumulated about the metal is so great. But unfortunately, he is not very good at “telling the story” or rather not good at “explain to me like I am 5\". Although, I had looked at his research on (www.silverstealers.net) earlier, I found them to be too detailed and too long to read without losing interest. And then I recently stumbled upon his article http://www.silver-investor.com/charlessavoie/cs_nov04.htm and I guess I have the answer.\n\nThe above article is actually a couple a hundred pages long. Again, as I had expected, it is way too detailed and took me a while to go through. I have to admit that I had to skip parts of it and I also got lost at times due to boredom. But here are are the interesting points I learned:\n\nApart from the numerous usages that we already know about, silver is very important metal during wartime because it is :\n\n* an essential metal in building battleships, bombs, guns, shells, tanks, torpedoes, trucks, airplanes and submarines\n* used in container linings, mirrors, batteries, medicine, dentistry, chemical industries, bus bars, electromagnets, desalination equipment\n* can withstand shock and vibration inside airplane engines at high speed; essential component for bearings.\n* used in brazing alloys and solders giving extra strength to joints.\n* has high corrosion resistance: hence used as linings in tanks, autoclaves, tubes etc.\n* irreplaceable component in various instrument panels across radars, satellites, defence equipments because of great electric and thermal conductivity.\n* was extensively used in wartime photography in films and development solutions (most of which is now lost) \n* is used in Atomic weapons and also in making them.\n* … actually it’s a lot more than this if you are patient enough to scavenge it from that article\n\nIn addition, \n* use of silver released a lot of copper, nickel and zinc for other wartime purposes\n* helped (or may be still helps) in weather manipulations (eg: creating rain although I’m not too sure about this)\n\nCharles mentions about “Silver Users Association” who lobbied since WW2 to hold the price of silver down and also manipulated the treasury into selling stockpiles to keep the price down. This must have helped the defence contractors to profit from cheap silver. There were government interventions at times in the form of rationing of silver for non essential requirements (eg: jewellery, silverware or other civilian use) and also applying artificial price caps on imports. \n\nHe believes the treasury has run out of strategic stockpiles since the year 2000 and investor positions in COMEX is all that is left. They could possibly pay off the investors at current prices and use the silver if the need arise.\n\nAs an investor, it is probably safe to assume that the silver stockpiles might have fallen and there will soon be a \"real\" shortage of silver. The COMEX short positions are probably their last resort to suppress the price. 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      "body": "In order to deduce a conclusive and irrefutable answer, we first need to examine why the markets give any value to crypto-currencies. Let’s first look at Bitcoin, the first of it’s kind, and work our way through the methods that could help determine the value of other alt-coins.\n\nEvery entity that is traded on an exchange, regardless of whether it is a stock, bond, currency, commodity, crypto-coin, or derivative are assigned a value, a price in dollar or other government issued currencies, by the markets. The value given to Bitcoin is the notion that one day it will replace money, as we know it today, in a better way.\n\nThat leads to an interesting question - What is money? I thought I knew the answer to it all these years until I stumbled upon Mike Maloney's YouTube videos. According to Maloney, money is defined as “something\" that should have all the following properties: \n* Medium of Exchange\n* A Unit of Account\n* Portable\n* Durable\n* Divisible\n* Fungible (Interchangeable)\n* Store of Value\n\nWe all know (or knew) that government issued currencies like US Dollar, British Pound, Euro etc fits very well within his definition. Well… Not Really!! US Dollar, the most important of all, as it is the global reserve currency, has lost 98% of it’s purchasing power since the creation of Federal Reserve in 1913 (Ref: Buy Gold Save Gold - Gary Christenson). So even though it has most of the properties of money  mentioned above, it is not a store of value. This is because government has the power to create money a.k.a. inflate the currency supply in the economy through various techniques known as printing, quantitative easing and debt issuance through fractional reserve banking.\n\nThat effectively means, if I saved in a government issued currency for my retirement, I would have lost some, if not a lot, of that purchasing power I enjoy today by the time I retire. On my savings I will have to earn an interest rate matching the inflation so as to retain the purchasing power. But unfortunately, due to the near zero interest rates that we have since the 2008 financial crisis, that is not possible.\n\nLooking at the history of human civilisation, we can see that Gold/Silver naturally evolved as money because both precious metals fulfil all the properties of money including “Store of Value”. That is because, nobody can easily “print\" gold/silver. One ounce of gold minted in Canada has more or less the same value as a one ounce gold minted in Australia. These metals are rare and so is Bitcoin. Nobody can inflate the supply of Bitcoin into the economy. The number of Bitcoins that can be \"mined\" is finite. And the process of mining is decentralised across thousands of computers across the world. Hence, no single entity, including the developers of the now famous blockchain algorithm, can create a bunch of Bitcoins from thin air and add them into their wallet.\n\nSo ideally, just like Gold/Silver, if I store my savings in Bitcoin, it should retain it’s purchasing power, shouldn’t it? Not exactly!! There are a few caveats to that argument. We need to examine the following two arguments that I often see on the commentaries.\n\n* There is nothing backing bitcoin; the intrinsic value of bitcoin is zero.\n* Bitcoin might be rare, but there is nothing that stops anyone from creating similar blockchains and thus dilute the value of Bitcoin\n\n# The Intrinsic Value of Bitcoin\n\nSome people including investor Peter Schiff, who famously predicted the 2008 financial crisis, call Bitcoin a \"digital fiat currency” (Ep. 251 Podcast). I disagree because, fiat money is a currency established as money by government regulation or law (Wikipedia). Basically what that means is, government hands you a piece of paper and says it is worth $5 and you simply put your trust on it. What you are not told is that it may not be able to buy you a meal in 10 years time as it can today. Bitcoin’s value as money is determined by the free markets.\n\nAssuming that there are no market manipulations, I would argue that the intrinsic value of any money/currency, regardless of whether it is fiat, precious metals or crypto-coins, is determined by market confidence. What gives US Dollar any value? It’s the confidence that when you receive that pay-check, you have enough to buy groceries or to pay your rent. The confidence wouldn’t be the same if United States was a war torn country like Afghanistan, Libya or Syria. The groceries would suddenly become much more expensive if you had to pay in US Dollars. The underlying truth is that the price of groceries didn’t go up but the value of dollar has fallen because the market has lost confidence in it’s value.\n\nWhat gives gold any value? To a dog it’s just a harmless piece of metal that sits in a corner. But as a human being, you know that a 500 year old gold coin that your found in a shipwreck can still buy you something today (words of Ron Paul, US Politician). If gold was available in plenty just like copper it wouldn’t have had the same value. But unlike copper, gold was rare 5000 years ago as it is now. And so is Bitcoin!!! It is rare.\n\n# Copies of Bitcoin a.k.a Alt-coins\n\nApart from Bitcoin, there are at least seven hundred crypto-coins out there at the time of this writing. Bitcoin cannot be replaced but is being replicated using the same/similar blockchain open-source code to create alternative coins. This should have definitely affected the value of Bitcoin but unfortunately it hasn’t. \n\nThe strength of a blockchain is the community of core developers and supporters behind it. The developers help in maintaining the integrity of the blockchain and the supporters help the general public to the blockchain through education, working at changing law/regulations, introducing supporting softwares etc.\n\nIf I announced the creation of a new blockchain in my name today, nobody is going to pay any attention. It will be worthless just like a large set of crypto-coins out there. Bitcoin so far has had that support and has eventually established as a major brand name in the crypto-currency world. The integrity of the blockchain is well maintained and this helps in maintaining the market confidence pretty high. \n\nAs an analogy of why alt-coins didn’t devalue Bitcoin, consider this - when Robert Mugabe, the president of Zimbabwe, decided to print dollars into oblivion, the price of US Dollars didn’t fall. Because Zimbabwean dollars are not same as US Dollars.\n\n# Conclusion\n\nNow that we have introspected both the statements in favour of Bitcoin, it should definitely be worth investing in, isn’t it? Nope!!! We still need to carefully consider the following \"What If?-s” before buying Bitcoins.\n\nWhat if the integrity of the blockchain itself is compromised? Some of the possibilities I could think about are given below, although I might be wrong on some of them.\n* A new vulnerability is found in “finding new blocks” on the blockchain that may give an unfair advantage to a single or group of miners. \n* A bug is found in the blockchain code that cannot be immediately fixed by the core developers\n* The blockchain itself gets hacked. It’s a piece of software and a fool-proof software is only a myth.\n* A breakthrough advance in technology, say an invention of massive computing power, that makes finding the new blocks by solving the crypto-algorithms much quicker.\n* Also, giving some respect to the dooms day proponents, if the Internet goes down and never comes up again, you lose all your Bitcoins\n\nUnlike physical Gold/Silver or fiat currencies, Bitcoin allows users to transact on the Internet without a third party like a bank being involved. Your Bitcoins can always be with you. You can avoid the hassle of carrying a bag full of gold coins and a sword to protect them. Also, you don’t have to have an account with any financial institution who may then gamble with your savings in the derivatives market and go belly-up during a financial crisis.\n\nBut all investments come with some risks. If you decide to buy some cryptos, here are a few points worth keeping in mind. \n* Bitcoin or any crypto-coin is worth something only if there is a strong community backing it. \n* Blockchain as a technology is evolving very fast. Better alternatives in future could push out existing ones. As an example, Ethereum seems to have a lot more potential benefits than Bitcoin.\n* I wouldn’t be emotionally attached to any blockchain. Once, I was emotionally attached to a wind energy company and held on to their stocks. They don’t trade anymore.\n* Keep minimal, if possible no, investments in a crypto-coin blockchain run by any financial institutions. The whole point of Bitcoin is a decentralised monetary system that gives no advantage to anyone including the governments.\n* Only invest the money that you could afford to lose COMPLETELY. 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