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| body | Hi Larsen! Good video and I agree with most, but there are a few points on which I think you are not accurate enough in your critique. When a vegan says, "I respect all life" or "all animals owns themselves", and then you go attempting to debunk this statement that moral valuation is subjective. Your argument is not a valid one. Most vegan who knows basics of ethics, understand that we all value different individuals, differently. That does not mean, I don't think all life has a right to live, by the sole reason that they are living, thinking beings. Most people couldn't give crap about (human) babies that are abused and murdered all around the opposite end of the Earth, but I still believe that the baby have a right to life. You say "No, no, no" and says you can prove it. You did not prove anything, you only proved what most people accept, that moral valuation is subjective. I value my own life, more than a mosquito. I wouldn't go out of my way to kill a mosquito because he was "bugging" me or just sitting there, but I value getting to job and earning a living, so I kill thousands of them while driving my car. You also say: "If the value of every life is equal", which you state such that this is something a vegan would mean, or at least the majority of whom you have had interactions with. I doubt this is true, and it is not really what vegans think or say, to my experience. Veganism is avoiding all use of animals, to an extend that is acceptable for the individual. If you have to die for a mouse to survive, you will end the life of that mouse. It is not about complete removal of suffering, it is not an utopia. It is also different for every individual, while some do have the time, energy and resources to grow their own food and harvest their own food, and thereby avoid killing mice, rats, birds in the process, that is not something everyone have the luxury for. Most people need to rely on industry food, which means that mice, rats, birds and other animals are killed in the production of food. That does not make those individuals, non-vegans. Most vegans would also say it is morally good, to use life critical medicine, even if that medicine is either/or tested on animals and contains any animal product. It is not purism, it is a goal to reduce pain and suffering in the world. We cannot apply our moral framework to animals, they do not understand the mental concepts required for it. But, the point is that the basis of morality, is natural phenomena that have evolved to where we are today. We are not the sole possessor of behavior such as reciprocity, which is one of many pillars of morality. With this in mind, it is quite natural that most people extend their moral valuation to more than just their fellow humans, we extend our moral valuation, and judgement, towards other species. So most people agree with the vegan sentiment (or rather, principle), that we should be kind to other species, as well as humans. The value with veganism, is that it is a defined moral framework. Instead of every individual having to figure out where their line is (as you mention in the video, most people have different lines), veganism says that the line is with all animals, no matter if it is an ant or a mouse. That is why veganism is based on moral principles, principles that applies to all animals. Moral principles are great, as they are much better to follow and apply, than random rules that gods, politicians, kings and rulers attempt to use to cattle us humans. Voluntaryism, Anarco-Capitalism, are philosophies that are built on a few guiding principles, as is Veganism. Either of these are easy to "get into", but it takes decades to fully apply and truly understand. Another point you make, is that vegans shouldn't say that meat is suffering, and then you go on talking about edge-cases (road-kill). It is for simplification, that we can assume that all meat, means suffering. Factory farming is the de-facto standard, and the majority of all meat, comes from factory farming (and industry fishing). There are not enough wild-game (or road-kill) on this planet, to meet the demands of people. So by arguing like you do on this point, has very little value and distracts from the major issue, that there is a lot of suffering going on. You do not present any solution to this problem, you only attempt to invalidate the standpoint of the vegan, by pointing out edge-cases. That is not doing anyone a favor, especially not those animals that are suffering. The same can easily be done to Voluntaryism, Anarcho-Capitalism, or any other principles moral framework. You also say we should focus on the the act of killing the animals, not the eating. This is also very silly semantics from your part. Most people don't slaughter their own food, but they are paying for it. They are contributing, with their money. If someone hire someone else to beat another person, are they free of guilt? The way you present your argument, it looks as though you think people should be guilt-free from eating meat, as the meat itself is not bad. And that is entirely correct, meat is not the issue, you simply jump hoops over reality in this regard. People don't get their meat from road-kill or wild-game, they get it from the supermarket. And yes, you might as well eat the meat if you come across road-kill. But what is even better, you give that meat away to someone that is eating meat, and you avoid it yourself. This would have even better effect, if the goal is to reduce pain and suffering. I do agree that it is important to be clear in communication, but slogans such as "Meat is murder", is to catch attention, it is marketing. A lot of people would stop drinking milk, if ads was required to show and tell the actual truth. The ads would run for an hour each, as well. You clearly have an issue with these "catch phrases", but what would you suggest is the solution? I would think most vegan activists, rarely get more than a minute or two of the attention of other people. There is no time to elaborate all details in a clear way, but obviously if anyone is interested in learning more, it is important to deliver knowledge in a clear and concise manner - but I don't think it's of much value to attack these "slogans", it simply just ignores the philosophy and principles. "Taxation is theft" is another similar slogan, which is not entirely correct, but it is effective. You also argue that it is not about the suffering, because animals in the wild suffer more than domesticated animals. Of course it is about the suffering, just because you state that it is not, doesn't make it true. Just because someone cares more about one animal that suffers less than another, doesn't invalidate their position that suffering is bad. In general, I think it is likely that you have seen more of the culture in your region, than of veganism as a whole. I'm pretty sure that vegans are very different across various cultures and regional locations on this planet. We are all influenced by the culture we grow up in, so a voluntaryist in Norway, would unlikely be entirely similar to a voluntaryist in India, China or USA. And in closing, I think you mostly are creating red herring yourself, and attacking that ("No, vegans don't value all animals equally"), as oppose to going into the actual debate on veganism (I understand this video was about an attempt to debate veganism at all). As you say, grey-areas exists in all moral frameworks, and I have yet to meet any vegan that does not accept this fact in veganism. So I really don't have the same experience as you, I don't meet these "militant vegans" who think all life are equally worth. Might be more of an issue where you live, but around here, I have never had any encounters with such individuals :-) So this is more about "Dishonesty of Militant Vegans", or "Dishonesty of Militant Ismish". Your closing remarks makes this clear, you are arguing a non-issue, at least from my own personal experience. I don't think people are arguing from a non-grey position to begin with, and your argument is to stop doing that. I do agree that if anyone does that, they should stop, I just don't agree at all that this applies to most, or majority of vegans, which you initially state it does. Thanks! |
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We are not the sole possessor of behavior such as reciprocity, which is one of many pillars of morality.\n\nWith this in mind, it is quite natural that most people extend their moral valuation to more than just their fellow humans, we extend our moral valuation, and judgement, towards other species.\n\nSo most people agree with the vegan sentiment (or rather, principle), that we should be kind to other species, as well as humans. The value with veganism, is that it is a defined moral framework. Instead of every individual having to figure out where their line is (as you mention in the video, most people have different lines), veganism says that the line is with all animals, no matter if it is an ant or a mouse. That is why veganism is based on moral principles, principles that applies to all animals. Moral principles are great, as they are much better to follow and apply, than random rules that gods, politicians, kings and rulers attempt to use to cattle us humans.\n\nVoluntaryism, Anarco-Capitalism, are philosophies that are built on a few guiding principles, as is Veganism. Either of these are easy to \"get into\", but it takes decades to fully apply and truly understand.\n\nAnother point you make, is that vegans shouldn't say that meat is suffering, and then you go on talking about edge-cases (road-kill). It is for simplification, that we can assume that all meat, means suffering. Factory farming is the de-facto standard, and the majority of all meat, comes from factory farming (and industry fishing). There are not enough wild-game (or road-kill) on this planet, to meet the demands of people.\n\nSo by arguing like you do on this point, has very little value and distracts from the major issue, that there is a lot of suffering going on. You do not present any solution to this problem, you only attempt to invalidate the standpoint of the vegan, by pointing out edge-cases. That is not doing anyone a favor, especially not those animals that are suffering. The same can easily be done to Voluntaryism, Anarcho-Capitalism, or any other principles moral framework.\n\nYou also say we should focus on the the act of killing the animals, not the eating. This is also very silly semantics from your part. Most people don't slaughter their own food, but they are paying for it. They are contributing, with their money. If someone hire someone else to beat another person, are they free of guilt?\n\nThe way you present your argument, it looks as though you think people should be guilt-free from eating meat, as the meat itself is not bad. And that is entirely correct, meat is not the issue, you simply jump hoops over reality in this regard. People don't get their meat from road-kill or wild-game, they get it from the supermarket.\n\nAnd yes, you might as well eat the meat if you come across road-kill. But what is even better, you give that meat away to someone that is eating meat, and you avoid it yourself. This would have even better effect, if the goal is to reduce pain and suffering.\n\nI do agree that it is important to be clear in communication, but slogans such as \"Meat is murder\", is to catch attention, it is marketing. A lot of people would stop drinking milk, if ads was required to show and tell the actual truth. The ads would run for an hour each, as well.\n\nYou clearly have an issue with these \"catch phrases\", but what would you suggest is the solution? I would think most vegan activists, rarely get more than a minute or two of the attention of other people. There is no time to elaborate all details in a clear way, but obviously if anyone is interested in learning more, it is important to deliver knowledge in a clear and concise manner - but I don't think it's of much value to attack these \"slogans\", it simply just ignores the philosophy and principles. \n\n\"Taxation is theft\" is another similar slogan, which is not entirely correct, but it is effective.\n\nYou also argue that it is not about the suffering, because animals in the wild suffer more than domesticated animals. Of course it is about the suffering, just because you state that it is not, doesn't make it true. Just because someone cares more about one animal that suffers less than another, doesn't invalidate their position that suffering is bad.\n\nIn general, I think it is likely that you have seen more of the culture in your region, than of veganism as a whole. I'm pretty sure that vegans are very different across various cultures and regional locations on this planet. We are all influenced by the culture we grow up in, so a voluntaryist in Norway, would unlikely be entirely similar to a voluntaryist in India, China or USA.\n\nAnd in closing, I think you mostly are creating red herring yourself, and attacking that (\"No, vegans don't value all animals equally\"), as oppose to going into the actual debate on veganism (I understand this video was about an attempt to debate veganism at all).\n\nAs you say, grey-areas exists in all moral frameworks, and I have yet to meet any vegan that does not accept this fact in veganism. So I really don't have the same experience as you, I don't meet these \"militant vegans\" who think all life are equally worth. Might be more of an issue where you live, but around here, I have never had any encounters with such individuals :-) So this is more about \"Dishonesty of Militant Vegans\", or \"Dishonesty of Militant Ismish\".\n\nYour closing remarks makes this clear, you are arguing a non-issue, at least from my own personal experience. I don't think people are arguing from a non-grey position to begin with, and your argument is to stop doing that. I do agree that if anyone does that, they should stop, I just don't agree at all that this applies to most, or majority of vegans, which you initially state it does.\n\nThanks!",
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| body | A few comments on your article: 1. Conflating all crypto-currencies to be "Bitcoin", and then from there conclude that it is logical to call Bitcoin (BTC) for Bitcoin Core, is flawed. Most crypto-currencies are forks of the original Bitcoin Core source code, but we don't call them "Bitcoin" for that reason. They are all crypto-currencies, they are not all Bitcoin. It will simply confuse the average individual, not good for general adoption of Bitcoin (and crypto). What follows from that, is that "Bitcoin Core" is the client. There are other clients that implements the same P2P network protocol and consensus algorithm. Bitcoin (BTC) is Bitcoin, there shouldn't be any confusion or doubt about that, this article does not really reduce the confusion for the average individual. We don't call Bitcoin Cash, for "Bitcoin ABC", now do we? Why would we then call Bitcoin, for "Bitcoin Core"? We don't call the World Wide Web, for FireFox. Bitcoin dot com starts by informing visitors that Bitcoin ("Core") is in trouble. It is not a site that promotes Bitcoin, for all the good thing it has done, and is doing every day. Instead the website attempts to tell visitors, that there is something wrong with Bitcoin, and that Bitcoin Cash is the "upgraded" Bitcoin, "the real bitcoin". It is not the real Bitcoin, by any stretch. It is a fork, I doubt any developer working on the various Bitcoin Cash clients would say otherwise. "Arguably, the original Bitcoin program no longer exists, at least as Satoshi created it. " Satoshi eventually "disappeared", but he was not alone on working on Bitcoin after the initial availability of the source code. A lot of changes, modifications and improvements was made. I'm currently wearing a t-shirt with the names of all the original developers, and it includes more than Satoshi. You can still download an older version of Bitcoin, and it will sync with the network, and you can perform transactions with it. Those transactions will happen on the Bitcoin-network, not the Bitcoin Cash-network. "the BTC people are the most petty. I've never had a BCH or DASH or Monero fanatic pull their support for my show because we accept one or the other currencies." You have to realize that this is not a comparison that holds weight. There are almost no transactions a minute on Bitcoin Cash network, and virtually nothing compare to the Bitcoin network. "Most libertarians believe in competition, but it appears these BTC supporters really hate the competition from BCH. " I doubt many people have issues with competition, the issue is how the narrative has been pushed, attempting to promote Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin. There are people, even on the official source code repos for Bitcoin ABC project, that comments that they want the developers to eventually change from BCH to BTC, when BCH grows bigger. That is dangerous and ridiculous ideas, and not a single exchange would that that. It would amount to outright fraud. And that is just one, of thousands of examples that exists on the tubes today. That is what most people have issues with, not competition. I believe there are room for everyone, but I really think that Bitcoin Cash and it's supporters have hurt the crypto-community and crypto-market more than any other event and alternative coin out there. It has confused, it has distracted a lot of energy and resources, away from the real fight against fiat, and initiated an ridiculous FUD-war. This article is part of this, spreading false facts as real: "BCH is just another bitcoin-based crypto. This one happens to have been the first to fork, and it's worth more than all of the other Bitcoin forks, so it's noteworthy." Bitcoin Cash is not the first Bitcoin fork. First there are plenty of alternative coins, which have forked the Bitcoin Core source code and created their own genesis block, for example Litecoin. If we are talking about fork of the blockchain itself, the first was Bitcoin XT, then Bitcoin Unlimited, then Bitcoin Classic, and THEN came Bitcoin Cash. So BCH was not first in any regard, not even with larger blocks (which Bitcoin XT did with 8MB blocks). To close it off, I just want to give a few example on the narrative that has been pushed by Bitcoin Cash supporters: 1. Only miners matters, full nodes that don't mine, has no role or effect on the network. This is FALSE. 2. FUD regarding Segwit, most people talking about Segwit have no clue what it is and believe it removes signatures from transactions. Segwit is still as secure as non-segwit ever was. 3. "Bitcoin Core/Bitcoin Segwit" is the fork, not Bitcoin Cash. This is clearly and evidently false, as the network older clients support, is the software release before august 1st 2017. There has been a lot more spreading around, and all of this distracts the community from the real issues. |
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2017/07/02 13:25:33
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2017/07/02 13:09:48
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2017/06/28 18:11:33
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2017/06/26 19:57:24
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2017/06/26 19:41:09
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2017/06/26 06:44:42
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jbcoinupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/26 05:30:27
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2017/06/26 00:48:24
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btudekupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 22:46:51
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2017/06/25 22:17:57
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endplunderupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 22:17:00
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2017/06/25 21:41:21
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}janusfaceupvoted (25.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 21:11:06
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2017/06/25 21:11:06
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2017/06/25 21:10:54
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2017/06/25 19:43:39
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2017/06/25 19:38:18
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}camillaupvoted (26.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 19:18:18
camillaupvoted (26.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 19:18:18
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}maquinadeldiosupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 18:28:12
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2017/06/25 18:28:12
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}spectralupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 18:20:36
spectralupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 18:20:36
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2017/06/25 18:16:27
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2017/06/25 18:14:54
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rvanstelupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 18:14:51
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}alexanarchoupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 18:11:45
alexanarchoupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
2017/06/25 18:11:45
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2017/06/25 17:51:15
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2017/06/25 17:38:33
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2017/06/25 17:38:18
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2017/06/25 17:32:36
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2017/06/25 17:23:21
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robertflupvoted (100.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
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lesliestarroharaupvoted (85.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom
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2017/06/25 14:40:24
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2017/06/25 14:40:12
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| body | Fantastic idea and good luck! |
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2017/06/25 14:39:42
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}queeneleanorupvoted (1.00%) @sondreb / liberstad-a-little-piece-of-freedom2017/06/25 14:37:54
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